I haven't tried this other than the "Martha Stewart" sherbet recipe with berries, oj, banana and milk with sugar substiture. I don't think you can have the milk until after four though. The sherbet was slenderizing. Sugar free Mott's Apple products and juice packed pineapple seem slimming too. Like in 'eat all you want'. All the greens you want and fruit til four than --I don't know, I suppose one lean meat and a milk.